East Cleveland Morgan - Eric Brewer on FB

Submitted by lmcshane on Thu, 08/13/2026 - 08:21.

 WOIO showed its audience a photograph of one of the fire hydrants that was inoperable on Carlyon Road in East Cleveland. There's no excuse for what I see as a former mayor and director of public safety. https://www.cleveland19.com/2026/08/09/we-have-nothing-east-cleveland-family-loses-home-after-fire-crews-struggled-get-water-blaze/

Firefighters who worked under my administration will remember our wars over inspections of buildings and hydrants. I assigned them to cut grass and to count and document vacant properties. Fire hydrants were inspected and tested annually. Then the cost to replace one was about $450 for the part. It was another $800 in employee hours for the removal and install.
I know because my deputy safety director, a former firefighter, Kenneth Adams, told me a vindictive firefighter knows how to adjust the pressure to crack the line. From then on, I took a more critical look at water line breaks when purchase requisitions to replace them were brought for my review. Reviewing purchase requisitions with the requesting director gives a mayor an opportunity for questions and learning.
I've learned that there is no inspection report for this particular fire East Cleveland hydrant. That's a problem because NFPA or National Fire Protection Association rules mandate annual inspections, inspections after each use and five-year flow inspections. An East Cleveland resident, or any other resident of a city with a fire department, is supposed to be able to request the inspection reports for the hydrants on their streets.
Mayor Frank Jackson and I negotiated and signed a 25-year direct service agreement in 2007, that expires in 2032, to place all of East Cleveland's water system under Cleveland's management. They supplied the water. We didn't need to be the middleman charging our residents significantly more than Cleveland's residents for the same water.
This makes the replacement of the fire hydrant Cleveland's responsibility. While Cleveland Councilman Kevin Conwell is proud that his longtime friend, Sandra Morgan, is East Cleveland's mayor, he should be using that friendship to demand Mayor Justin Bibb assign Cleveland water workers to repair and replace the city's hydrants. I misidentified them as relatives.
I read where residents called city hall to report the fire hydrant. The call was wasted. Morgan doesn't have a secretary. Seriously. The only mayor in the U.S. without an employee to answer phones for resident complaints and appointment requests. Bypass city hall. Calls for water leaks and hydrant repairs must go to Cleveland. 216‑664‑3060.
While Morgan promoted herself as the first "elected" woman mayor, there is a difference between electing a woman versus a man to manage a city that includes public service and public safety forces. Morgan's degree is in art. I doubt she's ever held a wrench.
Convicted ex-mayor Brandon King was proud of his commercial driver's license and ability to drive all of the city's trucks. Emmanuel Onunwor chased drug dealers. I prided myself on beating six cops at the pistol range and parking my car at night in spots where drugs were sold and turning on the lights. I removed signs from street poles and called the businesses that had them placed there. I suited up with the sheriff and SWAT to serve a warrant. I doubt that Morgan drives around the city and makes a list of things that need to be done.
I'm willing to bet she hasn't answered a 911 call to watch firefighters extinguish a fire or parked behind a police car to observe how they handle a traffic stop. I was on the phone with Mayor Lateek R. Shabazz and former executive assistant Justyn Anderson when they were on the streets for the Shaw High reunion, and when Aaron Sharp killed his grandfather, Charlie Roscoe, and brother, Erik Sharp, and shot two East Cleveland cops, Joshua Durda and Brandon Hernandez.
Shabazz wanted Sharp caught, but he stayed on the streets to stop cops from going on an "out for vengeance" slaughter. They function differently when they know the mayor who can terminate or prosecute them is listening to dispatch calls.
I'm not suggesting that a woman mayor cannot function with an interest in every facet of the job. East Cleveland residents are not going to have that type of mayor in Morgan. My point is I would not compare her to U.S. Marine Lt. Gen. Lorna Mahlock. She led combat missions and trained troops on the use of tactical assault weapons. Morgan. Art degree. Gary Norton took Cleveland State University classes in badminton, volleyball and women's sports. He wasn't that type of man as a mayor.
As I've previously shared, East Cleveland is not safe. There are two cops on each 12-hour shift. 16 personnel total. Convicted ex-mayor Brandon King squandered the $1 million council budgeted for a new custom-made pumper fire truck that was sold to another city when it came time to pay. The city's firefighting equipment and firefighting infrastructure is depleted. The unrepaired fire hydrant is evidence of bureaucratic negligence and decay. Wait until winter and road salt is being spread from the back of a pickup truck.
I don't want to read the "give her a chance" comments. Three houses burned. Cars were vandalized at Lake Park Towers. The high-rise at 15600 Terrace is a nightmare, and seniors are being terrorized at CMHA's Apthorp. For extra cash, some are letting drug dealers use their units. Winter is coming.
Residents need to know cops aren't showing up for 911 calls, and your old wooden home is a possible fire trap. People have forgotten about the exploding homes along Lakeview Road. Don't wait for firefighters to inspect the hydrant on your street, if it's not working or needs to be repaired, call Cleveland. 216-664-3060.
Since Morgan doesn't have a secretary, residents have their council meetings to express their concerns and ask questions. Fire chief David Worley should appear with inspection reports for the hydrants on each street. There should be an explanation of when the hydrants on Carlyon were inspected, and why the downed hydrant was not repaired. No blame. No fault. King and Smedley were thinking about stealing; not supervising firefighters to inspect fire hydrants every year. It's even understood if firefighters are behind. Get it done.
Morgan should ask Bibb, or her longtime friend, Conwell, for the hydrant repair list for East Cleveland and a timetable. Once obtained she should share it with residents. I could always call Mayor Jackson's cell phone as partner mayors.
The first year is the most challenging for a new mayor if they immerse themselves in the job. Every department has a different set of local, state and federal laws to obey and enforce that are in no handbook. The bureaucracy in East Cleveland is so non-compliant, people interacting with all of the city's employees and officials can expect to be given information they cannot identify as existing in a local, state or federal law. A person cannot walk into East Cleveland city hall, one who has a depth of statutory knowledge of municipal government and see the law in practice. Ask for a copy of a full one-year appropriation ordinance for 2026.
For the curious, here is a link to the NFPA codes. Inspections are found in NFPA 25-7.2 https://www.nfpa.org/for-professionals/codes-and-standards/list-of-codes-and-standards
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Public Safety nightmare in East Cleveland

 Incompetent mayor installed by Cuyahoga County Chris Ronayne and the Cuyahoga County Land Bank mafia. 

The  Cleveland Foundation and the City Club of Cleveland - will spin it on Friday Sept 25th  https://www.cityclub.org/forums/2026/09/25/from-empty-lots-to-endless-po... Will they cry when families die?

EAST CLEVELAND, Ohio (WOIO) - Fire crews responding to a house fire on Thursday in East Cleveland were unable to get adequate water pressure from nearby hydrants, according to fire radio calls and residents.

Jaclyn Daugherty and Willie Bonner, who lived in one of the homes on the 1600 block of Carlyon Road for five years, said it took approximately 30 minutes before crews were able to get water on the fire. Which the couple believes lead to the fire destroying three homes.

“It took about 30 minutes from the time we came outside until they were able to get water,” Willie Daugherty said.

‘We need more water’

Fire radio calls captured the struggle crews faced on scene.

 

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Follow up: Mayor Justin Bibb. Council President Blaine Griffin. It's not just East Cleveland whose fire hydrants are not being repaired and replaced by the Cleveland Division of Water. Cleveland city council members are being paid $96,000 a year this year. The city should operate like geniuses run it.

The downed hydrant photo is from Carlyon Road in East Cleveland. The other three are from E. 149th Street in Cleveland. Residents have complained about the open holes on E. 149th Street for six years. This appears to be a pattern of neglect affecting both cities and may be affecting other cities with which Cleveland has entered direct service agreements.
There are exposed water main lines between 3816 and 3822 E. 149th Street, with one that was the cause of a child sustaining a serious gash on her leg when she stepped into the uncapped clay crock next to the cutoff valve that were both covered with grass in the tree lawn. She needed 34 stitches and is scarred for life because she walked her grandmother to her car. These incapped water lines have been open and covered with grass on the street since 2020.
Look at the hands holding up the grass on the tree lawn showing the exposed water main. It's the hole the girl fell in across from Glendale Park. Cleveland water employees tore up the street to repair a water line that led to a man's home and destroyed and failed to repair the apron in his driveway. Six-years go. It's still unrepaired today with the uncapped water main holes. There's another uncapped water line at E. 189th and Harvard in front of the Harvard Community Center. All in Joe Jones' Ward 1.
Cleveland taxpayers pay for employee neglect. The incident occurred July 9, 2026. East 149th Street residents called the Cleveland Division of Water the next day to report, again, the dangerous, uncapped, rusted open water lines with jagged edges. No response as of today.
All that rah-rah for downtown development, wanting to convert Burke Lakefront Airport into a downtown cruising park, money for the West Side Market and MidTown development projects, did not keep an East side child from walking into a jagged uncapped water line in front of her grandmother's home off Kinsman Road.
I remember when every building in downtown Cleveland was full before developers wanted to "redevelop" it. A quarter million people visited downtown to work and shop daily before the developers. Now it's fewer than 38,000 daily workers and shoppers walking by empty buildings post-development. Invest in the neighborhoods.
Families are burned out of three homes in East Cleveland over non-working fire hydrants. A child's leg is lacerated after stepping into an uncapped water line in Cleveland. This is the effect of neglectful thinking from elected and appointed public employees locked in their "visions" instead of the day-to-day duties of a government job that affects the lives of others. The AI generation wasn't raised with old school public servants.
How good is a direct water service agreement with Cleveland's Division of Water under the Bibb administration? Are there other cities experiencing the same neglected repair and replacement duties both East Cleveland and Cleveland residents are experiencing?
How many other families are experiencing fire burnouts, unrepaired water line breaks and incomplete water line repair projects?
Six years of uncapped water lines is ridiculous. That's Bibb's first 4-year term plus two years.

Eric Brewer on Shore to Core

Mayor Justin Bibb's obsession with closing Burke Lakefront Airport has been irrational. Mayors Michael White, Jane Campbell and Frank Jackson considered it. Bibb is the only Cleveland mayor who has gone out of his way to push it. It's as if his interest is personal.
I took a look at some published government records about the North Coast Waterfront Development Corporation, the non-profit pushing his plan that northern California native Scott Skinner is being paid $170,000 as its CEO. Federal U.S. Department of Treasury agents need to take a close look at it how they've spent American Rescue Plan Act funds.
The North Coast Waterfront Development Corporation appears to have been registered with the Ohio Secretary of State by the law firm of Squire, Patton & Boggs for Bibb as the incorporator on August 24, 2023. President Donald Trump's attorney general, William Barr, made them close their Moscow office in 2020. It wasn't disclosed they were representing the Russian Federation, City of Cleveland, Cuyahoga County Mayors & City Managers Association and WKYC.
The non-profit registration came three months after council passed a May 27, 2023 resolution, 519-2023, authorizing the city to enter into an agreement with a non-profit when it was organized. Yes. Council approved a resolution to enter an agreement with a non-profit that had not been incorporated. Its sponsors were Kerry McCormack, Anthony T. Hairston and Blaine A. Griffin. Tessa Jackson resigned on June 15, 2023, but she was Bibb's economic development director on May 27, 2023.
"AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE Authorizing the Directors of Economic Development and/or Port Control, as appropriate, to enter into a cooperative agreement with County of Cuyahoga and North Coast Development Corporation, upon its incorporation, to plan and implement transformational projects on the Cleveland’s waterfront; to enter into one or more agreements with North Coast Development Corporation; and to apply for and accept any gifts, grants or services from any public or private entity."
When the non-profit was finally incorporated three months later on August 24, 2023, the statutory agent was Ahmed Abonamah, Bibb's finance director. Terri Hamilton Brown had replaced Jackson as the interim economic development director on June 30, 2023. The ordinance was a done deal when she arrived and there's no record of her involvement in its creation.
Bibb "signed" on Secretary of State forms as the incorporator and registered the fictitious name in his unofficial capacity though he used city hall's address. He placed former economic development director Ayonna Blue Donald on the board as vice chair. He placed Destination Cleveland's David Gilbert on the board as chairman. Griffin became a board member along with David Rios, Michael Taylor, Kristen Ellenbogen, Will Friedman, Gilbert, Donald and Bibb. Neither Bibb nor Giffin are identified as "ex officio" on the I-990's.
On Tuesday, March 5, 2024, Bibb's "office" announced that the North Coast Waterfront Development Corporation, was "the not-for-profit entity that will assist the City of Cleveland with the equitable development of the North Coast Lakefront." He announced what was described as "its selection of Scott Skinner as its first executive director." Bibb has never revealed that he was the non-profit's incorporator during any public meeting or in any public municipal record. https://www.clevelandohio.gov/.../north-coast-waterfront...
The Bibb announcement went on to read that "Skinner will spearhead the implementation of the community’s vision for Cleveland's Lakefront. He will be responsible for organizational leadership, advocacy, funding strategies and maintaining alignment with public and private sector stakeholders."
Skinner appears to be the only employee, and the "board" has let him spend over $600,000 in government funds. As a non-profit empowered to assumably discharge adjunct duties of the municipal government, Skinner was supposed to use the same laws the government that gave him the money uses to spend the dollars. This is especially since its funding source was federal. An Ideastream story claimed the non-profit would receive seed money of $3 million or $1 million annually in ARPA funds.
According to the Bibb non-profit's I-990 filing with the IRS, his non-profit identified itself as, "an organization that normally receives a substantial part of its support from a governmental unit or from the general public described in section 170(b)(1)(A)(vi). (Complete Part II.)"
The problem is the document whose filing Bibb's CEO, Skinner, and Gilbert-led board were supposed to coordinate does not identify the source of its $1 million source of "cash on hand" to the IRS. The funding government is not identified in the 2023 and 2024 I-990 filing.
I searched Cleveland's 2023, 2024, 2025 and 2026 budgets to identify Bibb's North Coast Waterfront Development Corporation as a recipient of public funds, but it's not in it under that name. I have not found it using search tools.
According to an analysis by 990 Finder, the "NORTH COAST WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT, founded in 2023, is a micro nonprofit in the Community Improvement sector that reported $18K in total revenue in fiscal year 2024. Revenue fell 98% from the prior year — a significant decline worth monitoring. Expenses of $669K exceeded revenue, resulting in a 3519% operating deficit."
What I found extremely interesting is the liquor permit notice Clerk of Council Patricia Britt received from the Ohio Department of Liquor Control. Bibb's non-profit requested and obtained permission from June 1, 2026, to host events and sell liquor at 515 Erieside Avenue on the waterfront until January 31, 2027. Council recorded the notice as a communication.
The "Emergency Ordinance" Council President Griffin sponsored as a member of Bibb's board better explains the "scheme" in a photographic attachment that includes a photograph of Bibb with a microphone. 70 paying individual and corporate sponsors. Griffin is also a member of the Bibb non-profit's board. Ord. No. 404-2026 was passed by council on April 27, 2026, and reads as follows:
"AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE Authorizing the Director of Port Control to enter into a license agreement granting the North Coast Waterfront Development Corporation the right to use and occupy City-owned property located on Dock 32 at 101 Erieside Avenue to continue the operation of the North Coast Yard and providing event programming for the general public, for a period of one year, with one one-year option to renew, exercisable by the Director of Port Control." It was sponsored by Austin Davis, Charles Slife and Griffin. It claims to have originated with a "Departmental Request" but does not identify the department. It appears that because of their proximity to Bibb's non-profit, the non-profit is the "department."
Ord. No. 404-2026 under Ohio law and Cleveland's charter was supposed to identify the emergency in writing. Hosting events on the waterfront is not an emergency. A water line break, sink hole, collapsed street is an emergency. The practice of labeling every piece of legislation an emergency without explaining what it is violates Section 36 of Cleveland's charter.
"All ordinances and resolutions shall be in effect from and after thirty (30) days from the date of their passage by the Council except as otherwise provided in this Charter. The Council may by a two-thirds vote of the members elected to the Council, pass emergency measures to take effect at the time indicated in the emergency measure. An emergency measure is an ordinance or resolution for the immediate preservation of the public peace, property, health, or safety, or providing for the usual daily operation of a Municipal department, in which the emergency is set forth and defined in a preamble. Ordinances appropriating money may be passed as emergency measures, but no measure making a grant, renewal or extension of a franchise or other special privilege, or regulating the rate to be charged for its services by any public utility, shall ever be so passed."
There was no emergency set forth in the preamble. If Bibb's non-profit has 70 paying sponsors, they're required to be identified in the I-990. I'm anxious to read the legal opinion law director Mark Griffin wrote, if he wrote one. This is all so bizarre. I don't know why Bibb thinks what he's done is smart or even legal. This is even crazier than Kwame Kilpatrick.
Every ordinance or resolution submitted on behalf of the non-profit Bibb created without a resolution of council is required to be signed by the mayor within 10 days. If not, it's passed as if he signed it. This is the dilemma. Even if Bibb did not physically sign his self-dealing legislation, he still signed it to benefit a non-profit he incorporated.
Mayors don't create non-profits with council presidents, finance directors and community development directors to place unreported government funds. They ask council for legislative approval in a public meeting and create public records to establish the creation of a funded department. Council approves the director's job description and salary and places it in a salary ordinance. All the legislative changes are read into the record and recorded in the minutes of public meetings with public comment. Read the first sentence in section 191 of Cleveland's charter under the heading "Compensation of Officers and Employees."
"The salary or compensation of all officers and employees in the unclassified service of the City shall be fixed by ordinance, or as may be provided by ordinance."
Section 77 of Cleveland's charter sets forth the procedures for establishing and discontinuing departments. 77 Establishment and Discontinuance of Departments and Offices
"There shall be a Department of Law, a Department of Finance, a Department of Public Utilities, and such other departments and offices as may be established by ordinance, with the concurrence of the Board of Control. The Council may by ordinance, with the concurrence of the Board of Control, discontinue any department or office established by ordinance, and may prescribe, combine, distribute or abolish the functions and duties of departments and offices; but, except as otherwise provided in this Charter, no function or duty assigned by this Charter to a particular department or office shall be abolished or assigned to any other department or office. Departments and offices existing at the time of the adoption of this section, and not specifically mentioned therein, shall continue as though established thereby but subject to alteration or discontinuance by ordinance in the manner provided herein."
The authority to abolish and prescribe the functions of departments is council's authority. Cities create departments to appropriate public funds. Not non-profits that circumvent charters and laws. I've covered mayors since Dennis Kucinich in 1978. I've watched only convicted ex-mayor Brandon King and now Bibb go through so much effort to create a trail of records that provide evidence of obstructed public duties.
This looks dubious as hell to me, but that's up to the U.S Treasury agent assigned to investigate the city's ARPA expenditures and verify that acts Bibb and Griffin took to direct federal funds to a private and unaudited non-profit complied with or violated federal laws. Council gave Bibb the authority to enter a future agreement with the non-profit he personally incorporated. There is no resolution I've found that he signed, giving him in his official capacity as "the mayor" the individual authority or office-related authority to create and fund his non-profit with $3 million in not-easy-to-identify U.S. Department of Treasury funds.
Under his non-profit, they are operating a New Community Authority (NCA) that allows for the charging of new fees on visitors and property owners within the lakefront district. This gives Bibb's non-profit a revenue-generating capacity distinct from typical non-profits. No other non-profit organizer or CEO can sign legislation to fund themselves with public dollars or give themselves special privileges in violation of the prohibitions against them in an emergency ordinance. Bibb and Griffin appear to have merged the non-profit's interests into the legislative process.
With an NCA Bibb's non-profit can levy up to $5 per vehicle as a parking fee at lakefront lots. It can collect up to 5% on gross receipts of retail, food, beverage and event tickets. It can assess up to 10% on hotel stays and up to 10 mills on assessed property value. The NCA is a governmental entity under the management of the mayor's personal board.
Bibb's move is one I haven't seen before. It's not slick. It's reckless. I wonder how he's handled reporting his involvement with the non-profit, and any personal benefits that might pass his way out of the expended federal funds, in his annual financial disclosure statement to the Ohio Ethics Commission.
Here's a link to the legislation council passed in April giving Bibb's non-profit the party space to book events. I think he's got problems. https://cityofcleveland.legistar.com/LegislationDetail...|Text|&Search=North+Coast+Waterfront+Development+Corporation
I've rattled the tree. Let's see what falls.
 
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I received a call from a Cleveland city council member who expressed shock over what they had read in my post about Mayor Justin Bibb's formation and funding of the North Coast Waterfront Development Corporation. They saw in the information I shared what they had missed before, despite knowing their vote did not feel right. It's clear to them ... now. The first question from their mouth was. "Why do you want your mayor to go to jail?" I voted for Laverne Jones Gore.
I did not write to put Bibb in jail and anything he's done that could lead him there has nothing to do with me. It took me 4 hours of reading city and state records and reviewing the Ohio Revised Code, Cleveland's charter and ordinances to see the picture I drew. Thief 101. The elected officials who don't know what's in those documents always violate the clear instructions that guide them away from an indictment. I began, as I always do, by asking what the law requires and compare it to what the official did. They all get caught at Thief 101. Think of convicted ex-East Cleveland mayor Brandon King initialing a $14,184 appropriation to his property management company to lease space to the city after being told not to three times, in writing, by the Ohio Ethics Commission.
Every elected official whose acts are revealed in the public records I've shared has a chance to confirm and reverse their actions if they can't find a state law giving mayors the authority to create and fund non-profits. Some don't know they're doing wrong. They think that because a law does not tell them that they can't do something it means they can. Dumbest shit I've ever heard but there are elected and appointed public officials who believe it. No elected official is administered an oath of office to obey and enforce laws that don't exist.
If I were a member of Cleveland city council, I'd begin with demanding the following records.
1. Any and all legal opinions from Director of Law Mark Griffin to Bibb regarding the formation of the non-profit and the mayor's authority. If Griffin is advising Bibb like Willa Hemmons advised Brandon King, he's screwed. Law directors are required to write legal opinions advising officials on how to obey laws. Not whims.
2. All documents regarding the assignment of the non-profit and New Community Authority (NCA) filing to Squire, Patton & Boggs, and all records the firm created regarding the filings to include engagement letters, scopes of work, conflict‑of‑interest disclosures, correspondence with the Law Department, Finance, Economic Development, Mayor’s Office, itemized, unredacted invoices.
3. All governance and board records such as bylaws, meeting notices, minutes, financial records, contracts, purchases, credit cards, travel, payment, audits, records of city disbursements, expenditures.
4. All records regarding the formation of the NCA overseen by the non-profit incorporated by Bibb, including but not limited to all legal opinions, contracts and invoices regarding the tasks required to request the designation from the state. Audits of the NCA's records. All of the NCA's fee agreements, collections and disbursements.
5. All records of communications between the officers of the non-profit and the municipal corporation that resulted in the preparation of legislation a) giving 2 directors the authority to enter an agreement with an unincorporated entity when it incorporated. b) giving it waterfront access c) giving recognition to the New Community Organization. As the resolutions submitted to council were identified as emergencies, and no emergency was described in the preamble, submit all records that provide the requesting director's purpose for seeking the emergency designation for the non-profit's legislation. Records that identify how the non-profit's CEO, Skinner, requests legislation from the city that has provided the non-profit he oversees with special grants and privileges.
6. All the required documents from each director who submitted a "departmental request" for emergency legislation granting special privileges to Bibb's non-profit and the NCA.
7. All records regarding formation of the NCA overseen by NCWDC, including petitions, council resolutions or ordinances, county approvals (if applicable), filings with the state, legal opinions on NCA structure and governance, contracts between NCWDC and the NCA, all invoices and payments for legal work, consulting, financial modeling, fee and assessment structure.
8. All records regarding the non-profits 70 sponsors, including contracts, payments from them to the non-profit or NCA.
9. All contract and employment records for Scott Skinner that explain how he was recruited, selected, offered the appointment, and interacts with the mayor, council, department heads and appointees. The IRS 990 identifies Skinner's office at city hall, 601 Lakeside, with a $170,000 annual salary that's $4000 less than Governor Richard Michael Dewine's with no employees to manage. The records should how the board arrived on Skinner as the top or only candidate and decided his salary. If Skinner is a non-profit CEO with city hall access, as shown on the IRS-990, submit any and all personnel records that confirm if he is being treated or recorded as an employee for OPERS and health benefits and who authorized it.
That's where I'd start.
We'll see who on Cleveland city council acts and what they do. We'll see if Bibb takes a full examination of his conduct and sees it in a different light. Sometimes people just don't know. He gets the benefit of doubt until he makes his move.
It will be telling if he doubles down on protecting what looks like an off-the-books waterfront playground and parking fee hustle he's created. Bibb incorporated NCWDC, positioned it to oversee the NCA, and is simultaneously advancing a publicly funded $50 million connector project that increases access to the waterfront where NCWDC and the NCA operate fee‑generating activities.
Bibb didn't care if the Brown's left. Skinner says they can use the stadium for events.