Leadership

Submitted by lmcshane on Wed, 09/09/2009 - 01:50.

Congratulations to Brian Cummins and Rick Nagin for prevailing in today's primary. I hope you both find the strength to lead and protect the residents of Ward 14 from the predation of developers out to make a buck off of us.

To Nelson Cintron--I express my utmost admiration for your tireless efforts to improve the lives of your friends, your neighbors, and your family who live in Ward 14, and who actually go to the public schools with union teachers in Ward 14. 

I hope that Rick Nagin and Brian Cummins make a real effort to get to listen to you and, especially to your daughters, who can make them understand the need to protect and serve and, above all, retain these young people to rebuild the community.  I hope that we can start by pushing to reopen St. Procop's immediately as the anchor needed to support the community.  Brian and Rick, I will look to you both for less talk and more action.

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What will you do differently to address lead poisoning?

Submitted by Norm Roulet on Wed, 09/09/2009 - 11:07.

We couldn't help but follow this race closely, on REALNEO. Thank you to all the candidates on new Ward 14 who have set up accounts and moved democracy to our free world - you are all class acts.

You have my respect for putting your hats in the ring and investing so much of your lives in improving your community - I don't know you or your policies directly but I know you care!

I look forward to seeing the smartest race in Cleveland history now play out between Cummins and Nagin, here on REALNEO.

Let the race begin!

Ward 14 Candidates Question of the Day: What will you do differently to address lead poisoning in your community?

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Candidate debate Ward 14

Submitted by lmcshane on Wed, 09/09/2009 - 17:34.

 At the City Club debate--the candidates discussed hosting a debate in Ward 14 for local residents.  I would love to see the debate take place at Lincoln High School. The School as Neighborhood Resource program starts up in October. 

In any case,  I hope that this will be coordinated soon to insure wide advertising and a greater turnout of residents and to combat some of the voter apathy so apparent throughout Cleveland.
 

debate

Submitted by westward on Wed, 09/09/2009 - 17:46.

This would be nice, Laura, and like you say, get people to vote. The turnout city wide is appalling. 

to whoever closed my blog

Submitted by westward on Wed, 09/09/2009 - 19:29.

thank you. I would love to know how you did that. Debbie 

I did it wrong - check now

Submitted by Norm Roulet on Wed, 09/09/2009 - 19:51.

I actually meant to set it as comment read only, and returned into edit and corrected that - take a look now - the comments are back but cannot be added or edited.

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check now

Submitted by westward on Wed, 09/09/2009 - 20:03.

I did and thanks again. Is this something that I can do? If you just tell me which area to go to I can probably figure it out.  

I'm not sure what options you have...

Submitted by Norm Roulet on Wed, 09/09/2009 - 20:28.

As an admin I have an edit tab for my postings - when I click that I see a screen where I have the content edit window and below the log message window is a comment settings tab - click that and you have the comment options of disabled, read only or read/write.

Let me know if you see any of this or something else... we can change the user settings on this so it can be adjusted.

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options

Submitted by westward on Wed, 09/09/2009 - 20:42.

 I have only formatting, edit, preview and delete options. It would be nice to be able to have the above options.

actually Norm

Submitted by westward on Wed, 09/09/2009 - 22:03.

I have thought more about this. Forget my idea; this opens a can of worms that we are not ready for. I am happy to contact an administrator to edit my postings for now. Thanks.

Terminating discussion - my toys, my sandbox - you all shut up!

Submitted by Jeff Buster on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 08:08.

I do not agree with you Norm, (or dwebb) that discussions on Realneo should be terminated or "retired" via the original poster's edit capability or via administrator's capability.
 
This type of “it is my toy, and my sandbox – you all need to go home” is a big- HUGE - mistake and, in fact, defeats precisely the purpose of Realneo.
 
 Open discussion and debate. Without limits imposed by anyone.
 
Norm, once a public conversation has begun, and many have added their voice and opinions and ideas to the discussion, are you suggesting that the first person who spoke has the right to terminate that discussion ? Where did you get support for that idea?
 
Norm, you unilaterally caved into Mr. Rokakis’ request to remove Oengus’ comment about Rokakis, and now you have taken unilateral action to establish a new admin policy.  
 
How about this for a co-op?

Terminating discussion by lack of follow through

Submitted by Norm Roulet on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 08:31.

Jeff, you took a leadership role in REAL COOP and then went away. We have no bylaws and no updated terms of use for anything. You have been detached and unsupportive of all efforts to advance the coop, yet are immediate to flame my efforts to move us forward, and protect our asses, at every instance - as I've said, I wonder who you work for. I'm thinking GCP.

If I want to remove all my content from this site I will. Are you to say you or the coop own my content and can do anything to that?

I can close one of my polls, if I like, and sell exclusive rights to one of my photos and remove that.

DBra and all other members should have the technological ability to do the same with their content - the site is configured wrong. We need to fix that, as a coop.

I beleve you have an agenda you are not disclosing, as it is clearly not to protect the rights of the coop or coop members.

Call a meeting to discuss this topic - show some leadership of the coop - and do it for real and right.

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my toys, my sandbox

Submitted by westward on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 11:38.

Jeff, after I thought about the possibilty of making postings read only from the get go, I steered away from that as a can of worms. Can you imagine posting after posting of read only? It would be insane. For me, though, it is not so much as my toy as more a feeling of responsiblity that if it is a posting that I initiated, then I must respond or maintain that posting. Perhaps this is a misplaced sense of responsibilty that extends into from own life and does not apply to a public forum. I am still trying to decide if I am up for this type of forum as I defend the world against gay bashing, red baiting, and slurs agaisnst damsels that I've never met, which causes me anxiety. Maybe I am better at doing that in person than in a public forum; still thinking on it.

You are correct in public discussion if one looks at it as a journalistic tool. For a co-op, I also agree that this is the kind of thing that merits several discussions that also is in line with other co-op discussions and agreements. Holding us to the reality that this is a co-op is a good thing, and I thank you for doing so.

DWebb

 

REALNEO meeting

Submitted by lmcshane on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 09:08.

  Like all good efforts to provide forum in this town, REALNEO should not succumb to some control freak behavior. 

When we post original blogs as I have here, I agree that the author of the post should have the edit option to allow comments or not.  The author of any post also has the option to delete their post at any time.  I have deleted some of my posts and to my knowledge so has Susan Miller. When we have done it, we upset the folks who had commented on our posts.  Folks are always going to get upset, but this is the risk you run of contributing to the original author's post. Authors have the ability to delete your comments by deleting the original post, so it behooves all of us to carry on a sane and rational discussion.  If, as Norm proposes we allow everyone, not just administrators, to post blog entries with comments disabled, REALNEO will get REAL boring.  Plus, the comments, even the bad ones, show that a topic merits attention. 

So far, REALNEO's structure is better than many other forums, primarily because of the photos, and because the sidebars--Recent comments, Popular Content, Last Viewed--mix up the content and refresh past material.  The basic format of the site is good and gatekeeping is kept to a minimum.  I do believe that anonymity is a scourge and should be discouraged.  My two cents.  It would be better if REALNEO's topics took up the forum portion of the site--as an example http://www.urbanohio.com/ has very good traffic in their forums.  BTW--REALNEO and urbanohio are the two blogs that Henry Gomez tracks for Inside City Hall, so we are providing some insight to community politics.

For all the new people who have joined REALNEO, recently--thank you.  Please don't let growing pains discourage your input to this site. There is a long history from 2004 (?) ...and the site has been kept alive by the folks who do have administrator capacity.  I am not an administrator and I don't want to be one--because I don't want to play god here.  I know that some folks want the comments frozen so that the option to revise a comment is locked down.  We saw the empty posts meant to lock down comments.  Frankly, I thought it was a childish response, but Jeff Schuler if you can lock down comments to prevent future editting, please do, especially to prevent this type of discord. 

We do need a meeting--how about Shaker Square, again?  But, this time--please post an agenda and unfortunately, we are going to need a moderator.  I can't do Jamaica Kincaid as it turns out (I work) but after any one of the Sunday Writers and Readers Series at CPL is another option to pursue a meeting--see http://writersandreaders.cpl.org/

Neil Gaiman will be at CPL's Lakeshore Facility on Sunday, October 4th--How about we give some traffic to a Waterloo Facility, after the author discussion?

I'm in for a REALNEO/COOP meeting - set date/time/place

Submitted by Norm Roulet on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 09:54.

Let's have the next meeting in Ward 14 - seems to be a membership hotspot so let's buy real NEO - somepne over there pick a cool place... I'd like to see some history and culture of there... wherever there is. Got a cool church we can visit... any of the closed ones, looking for attention?

The sooner the better... this weekend?

I'd like 10 minutes on the agenda to update coop members on the proposal I have submitted to Cuyahoga County - 5 minute update and 5 minute discussion/Q&A.

All coop members should be enouraged to attend, and add to the agenda.

And, how about planning a Ward 14 REAL NEO Candidates debate - both are members.

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Next BCCA meeting September 24th

Submitted by lmcshane on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 10:22.

  The next BCCA meeting in Brooklyn Centre is held the fourth Thursday of the month at the beautiful Brooklyn Methodist Memorial Church, built on the same cool Akron plan model as Pilgrim Church in Tremont.
 

BCCA people, please correct me if I am wrong...on the date/place for your next meeting.  Will it be posted at http://www.brooklyncentre.org ?

I work most Thursday nights until 8:00 p.m., so I generally do not make these meetings, but if BCCA will let REALNEO meet after their meeting...I will be there.

BCCA?  Wouldn't that

Submitted by ward14resident on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 12:53.

BCCA?  Wouldn't that location be too biased towards Cummins?  Isn't that an organization that he helped to set up?  I could be wrong, but I thought I read that in one of these posts. 

Anyone have any other suggestions for a meeting place in Ward 14?  Someplace more neutral. 

churchs are fun

Submitted by noner on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 13:29.

but can we please go somewhere with beer?

it sometimes makes things more palatable.

Trinity Church is serving Great Lakes beer ?!

Submitted by lmcshane on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 16:47.

And  Brats and Music on TAP--every second Saturday of the month from 1-4 p.m.
Now, ain't that crazy??  I am off this Saturday, September 12, and as Chris loves beer and brats and organ music--the Bohemian in him--we will try to catch the scene at Trinity Lutheran Church West 30th and Lorain Ave (this is happening 3 blocks west of the West Side Market on a market day).

See www.clevelandbeckerath.org for more information...

And speaking of beer---not all bars have to be bad...if we took a more sane approach to drinking in America--BCCA just sent me word that they are meeting tonight at 6:30 to consider rezoning Brown's Lanes in my neighborhood for music and possible dancing...seems they have removed some of the lanes.  I can live with a place for healthy socializing, but I am sure some of our neighbors might not appreciate the music part...oh how can suburbanites live in their boring little homes, when us city folk have so much fun controversy to complain about!?

 

Two meetings discussed here

Submitted by lmcshane on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 17:03.

 One is the Ward 14 debate that should take place between Rick Nagin and Brian Cummins.  That should take place in...Ward 14--San Lorenzo Club is another possible venue...but like I said--Lincoln West is ground zero. 

The second meeting is needed to hash out standards and posting etiquette for REALNEO and to approve formation of REAL COOP and status of REALNEO as non-profit entity for purposes of funding this mess :)